# No Dependencies--Or How Rife 2 and Bld Happened--airhacks.fm podcast

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The #284 airhacks.fm episode with Geert Bevin (@gbevin) about:

the "No Dependencies" approach, Java templates, bidirectional templates in Rife, the Bld build tool, 
Rife 2 web framework, Java's productivity, Kotlin and more.

is available for download.