# From WebSphere to Quarkus: The Evolution of Java Classloading--airhacks.fm podcast

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The #402 airhacks.fm episode with Holly Cummins (@holly_cummins) about:

The move from application server classloader hierarchies to the flat Quarkus classloader, fast-jar and Project Leyden AOT, dev mode hot reload, and Dev Services.

is available for download.